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Goethe's nationality "German"?

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The factbox gives Goethe's nationality as "German". Isn't this anachronistic? No doubt he is regarded by modern Germans as "German", and as the greatest German writer, but since there was no country called "Germany" then, surely he was not a "German national".

59.153.114.235 (talk) 23:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unless someone comments, I'll go ahead and change "Nationality" to "Ethnicity".

59.153.114.235 (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no |ethnicity= parameter in Template:Infobox writer; so it'll better stay as it is. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't fill para nationality, and suggest to do so here as well. Places of birth and death should suggest sufficiently where to locate him in history. - Will do, please discuss here if you think differently. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Calling Goethe "German" is anachronistic, and I agree that the "nationality" parameter is better left blank. Carlstak (talk) 11:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. 157.7.194.173 (talk) 12:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was no German state than but German people and a German nation though Goethe was a German poet like Dante was a Italian poet (though there was no State Italy before 1867.)--Frances K. (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think that’s an interesting point; he tends to be referred to as German in academic reference materials. I don’t know if there was “German” identity back then, ethno-linguistic, in spite of there being various other state entities. Jukhamil (talk) 23:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amateur Artist

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Should mention be made of Goethe's drawings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.137.86 (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ipa

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is there a reason the pronunciation is in a footnote not next to his name as usual? Bufobuff (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's just to make the lead section less cluttered. Kornatice (talk) 00:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of his name

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I'd argue against any "official" English pronunciation of his name. His mother tongue was German and for all I know, he never lived in an English-speaking country, so he certainly never pronounced his name in any of the English ways suggested in this article. Can we just agree on the German pronunciation as the correct one? 2A01:599:32A:32C3:211:5130:9F51:68B3 (talk) 14:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish ancestry ??

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I'm really confused by the claim that Goethe had Turkish ancestry. It is a known fact (and is stated in the article) that he was partly descended from the Soldan family, an eastern European noble family of either Hungarian or Baltic-German origin. But then I don't see how this implies he had "Turkish" ancestry. Am I missing something ? Cormarenc07 (talk) 09:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To Whom It May Concern: The Hungarian people are not of Turkish extraction. I would advise the members of the editing board to consult the evidentiary material that is presented on the Wikipedia article devoted to the matter of the genetics of the inhabitants of the nation of Hungary. According to the graphical data-table that is on display at the present time, it is made clear to the reader that the Hungarian people bear the closest genetic affinity with their Central European and Eastern European neighbors, which is in opposition to their bearing a closeness in genetic affinity with Central Asiatics. According to the article detailing the origins of the Soldan family, it is made clear to the reader that the prevailing scholarly view, as evidenced by the article’s in-text citations, is in support of a Hungarian, or possibly Baltic German, origin to the family’s bloodline. 67.247.13.141 (talk) 17:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
they are not the same family i have not seen anything that mentions about johnn in the soldan family on my researchTurkiishh (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Venny Soldan-Brofeldt her father's last name is soldan but not mentioned in both johnn and soldian family pageTurkiishh (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]